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+#!/bin/bash
+
+# 2024.Dec kneutron
+
+# Goal: create a light-resources proxmox LXC container with thunderbird
+#   that can be accessed with e.g. rdesktop or ' mstsc ' (Windows) from any PC in the house
+
+# NOTE you can always give the LXC more RAM / Disk size in the PVE GUI later on if your mailbox is large
+
+echo "This is script 1 of 2"
+echo "Matching deploy script is here:"
+echo " https://github.com/kneutron/ansitest/blob/master/proxmox/proxmox-deploy-lxc-debian-icewm-thunderbird.sh "
+echo ''
+echo '- YOU NEED TO EDIT THIS SCRIPT BEFORE RUNNING IT -'
+echo '...the defaults may/not work for your environment'
+echo ''
+
+# xxx TODO EDITME
+usestorage="local-lvm" # lvm-thin
+disksize=10 # GB
+numcpu=1
+ramalloc=2 # GB
+let vram=$ramalloc*1024
+
+usedns=192.168.1.1
+lxcpass="54321"
+
+
+########################## No edits are needed past this point
+
+
+# /var/lib/vz/template/cache/debian-12-standard_12.2-1_amd64.tar.zst
+# NOTE this template needs to be downloaded beforehand on the proxmox host!!
+
+# failexit.mrg
+function failexit () {
+  echo '! Something failed! Code: '"$1 $2" # code # (and optional description)
+  exit $1
+}
+
+template="/var/lib/vz/template/cache/debian-12-standard_12.2-1_amd64.tar.zst"
+[ -e "$template" ] || failexit 44 "Debian template not found! Please download it on the proxmox host first"
+
+echo "$(date) - Please wait, getting next free vmid"
+let newid=$(pvesh get /cluster/nextid)
+date
+
+echo "About to create LXC: $newid using Debian image, for xrdp / rdesktop Thunderbird email" 
+echo "The (lightweight) desktop environment will be: icewm, but you also have the choice"
+echo "  of installing e.g. fluxbox , enlightenment , xfce4 , openbox , lxQT , windowmaker"
+echo "  AfterStep, FVWM, Sawfish, JWM, tinywm, or whatever floats your boat."
+echo ''
+echo "Backing Storage: $usestorage -- Disk size: $disksize GB -- vCPU: $numcpu -- vRAM: $ramalloc GB" 
+echo "Enter to proceed or ^C to stop"
+read -n 1
+
+# set cmode back to "tty" if you want to have a console login prompt, but sometimes it doesnt come up
+(set -x
+time pct create $newid \
+  "$template" \
+  --cmode shell \
+  --cores $numcpu \
+  --features nesting=1 \
+  --hostname "debian-lxc-xrdp-thunderbird" \
+  --memory $vram \
+  --swap 512 \
+  --nameserver $usedns \
+  --net0 name="eth0",bridge="vmbr0",firewall=0,ip=dhcp,ip6=auto,link_down=0 \
+  --ostype=debian \
+  --password "$lxcpass" \
+  --storage $usestorage \
+  --rootfs volume=$usestorage:${disksize},mountoptions=noatime,size=${disksize}G \
+  --unprivileged 1 \
+  --start 1 \
+  --timezone host \
+  --description "Kneutron Debian LXC container for xrdp / rdesktop Thunderbird email" || failexit 99 "Failed to create LXC!"
+)
+
+#####################################################################################
+date
+echo "New VMID is $newid"
+echo "  go to PVE dashboard on port 8006, select the new LXC / Console,"
+echo "  you should have a root login prompt: \#"
+echo ''
+echo "NOTE root password = $lxcpass"
+echo ''
+echo "If you do not get a dhcp ip address, Disconnect the eth0 in the PVE GUI"
+echo "  and Reconnect it"
+echo "Then in-LXC, issue ' killall dhclient; dhclient -v eth0 ' without the quotes"
+echo "  After that, ' ip a ' should return an IP address and you should be able to"
+echo "  ping e.g. google.com - otherwise you may need to adapt LXC to your network"
+echo ''
+echo 'To (fairly easily) get the deploy script into the LXC:'
+echo ''
+echo "In-lxc as root, issue ' ip a; nc -l -p 80 |tar xpvf - ' "
+echo ''
+echo "Then on proxmox host (or wherever you have the deploy script downloaded) issue:"
+echo " ' tar cpf - proxmox-deploy\*sh |nc -w 3 put-ip-address-of-lxc-here 80 '"
+echo ''
+echo "This should tar up the deploy script on the fly, and pass it to LXC with netcat"
+echo "  without having to get involved with adding users and such."
+echo ''
+echo "Should work fine with Linux, if you are on Windows then will probably need to"
+echo "  add a user, install / enable openssh_server, and use e.g. WinSCP"
+echo '' 
+echo "NOTE you may need to ' chmod +x ' the deploy script before running it."
+echo ''
+echo "Enjoy! Kneutron"
+
+# REF: https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/how-to-create-a-container-from-command-line-pct-create.107304/
+
+# Inspired by:
+# REF: https://www.reddit.com/r/Proxmox/comments/1hayp1j/mail_client_vm/